PEABODY'S PONY EXPRESS:(continued)


August 18, 2001

Subject: Find-A-Grave by Cemetery: Oakwood Memorial Park

Brian,

Thanks so much!

The park is in Chatsworth, CA in the San Fernando Valley. Fred and Ginger are there, as is Stephen Boyd. The next time I go to the south of the state, I'll pop over there to pay my respects.

Findagrave.com does display urn photos as well as graves and crypts. Check out Phil Harris' and Alice Faye for examples. They are also installing a program for "virtual flowers" in the celebrity section.

It will be awhile before I can get down there. If nobody else has submitted his bio and photos to Findagrave by then, I'll do it.

Thanks again!

Todd


August 18, 2001

Sorry, Don; I just noticed on the certificate for Walter Tetley, that it does give the location of his final resting place. I saw, when I looked at it, that his remains are at a crematory of the Oakwood Memorial Park. I am assuming that this is also a cemetery, too, and not just a crematory, with the word "park" in it. I don't know where that is, but I assume that you do, and you have already told Todd. Is it in the city of Oakwood, CA?

Brian


August 17, 2001

Subject: Walter Tetley

Hi,

Do you know where Mr Tetley is buried?

I can't find him at "FindAGrave.com," although Jay Ward is there as well as Phil Harris and Alice Faye.

Believe it or not, I actually send flowers to celebrity gravesites on their birthdays and some other dates when I'm moved to do so and my funds allow. They may be gone, but I still enjoy their work and I still love 'em.

Tetley was fabulous, so much great work he contributed. I still laugh til I cry with his "Julius" on the Phil Harris and Alice Faye Show.

I'll appreciate whatever help you can give me on this.

Thanks.

Todd

Todd:

It may be purely a shot in the dark, but I will forward your email to a guy who has a copy of Walter Tetley's death certificate. I have no idea, where to find Tetley's grave site, but I am thinking that perhaps this man might know. Call it just a hunch; I figured if he was curious about that one item, then maybe he might have taken his interest, one step further, and found his grave (and even visited it).

Brian


August 11, 2001

Brian:

My name is Dennis Daily. I am a reporter for UPI. I am also an incurable addict, and fan, of Old Time Radio. I appreciate your very sensitive and kind tribute to Walter Tetley. He really is an entertainer who is now very much overlooked, so I am glad for your words.

I have listened to quite a few episodes of Walter Tetley on the Phil Harris and Alice Faye Show. Though he was always good, on The Great Gildersleeve, he stole the show, on Phil Harris and Alice Faye!! He was just great and really funny!

I would enjoy having some additional contact information for you. Let's talk.

Dennis Daily

Dear Dennis:

I would love to hear some of the episodes from The Phil Harris and Alice Faye show. Between two of our readers, I have had the wonderful benefit of having 181 episodes, of The Great Gildersleeve, at my disposal. I have listened to quite a few of them, but not all. I hope sometime, in the near future, to hear some samples of Walter's work on the Harris and Faye show. Thank you very much for your interest!!

Brian


August 08, 2001

Subject: June Foray

Dear Brian,

I am a high school senior who will be attending college next year majoring in film animation. This is solely because I have been enthralled with the collaborative efforts of all the artists who worked on such wonderfully satirical cartoons such as Rocky and Bullwinkle. As a young woman interested in this specific genre, I would love to know if June Foray is reachable by mail or e-mail through any of her vast organizational contacts. If you have this information, or know where I can get it, would you please e-mail me?

Danae Fegan


August 06, 2001

Fractured Flickers fan

I'm 46 now and remember watching fractured flickers, it was a must see for me at the time....Is there any of these shows on Video...I'd love to see them again...this show was one of my all time favorite...Ive always been a big fan of all of all the above mentioned on your site....thanks

Mike Marglaski

Mike:

Since Hans Conried was the host of that show, I went to http://us.imdb.com/Bio?Conried,+Hans

After that, I noticed, on the left margin, that it had an option called "Titles for Sale". I clicked on that. It brought up quite a few videos and DVDs, which included work that he had done (in movies or TV shows), but none, at all, for Fractured Flickers.

Next I noticed, under "User Comments":

http://us.imdb.com/Title?005675#comment

that there were a few folks who had emailed in their opinions about Fractured Flickers-----including one person who was saying that he wished that these were available for release to the general public. That person had emailed in those remarks, back in Feb. 1999. Perhaps by now he has found Fractured Flickers that he could buy. Maybe you could email him (there is a way to email him, when you read his comment).

You may have to register with this IMDb website, before you can email him, but it is FREE to register. I have registered and I have not had to pay a single red cent.

I am 41, so I guess I was just a bit too young for those Fractured Flickers when they first came out. It says, on the site where I found this show, that it ran in 1963 and for only one season. I was only 3-4 years old, back in 1963.

I never, never, NEVER saw this show, ever, in re-runs, like most of Jay Wards shows. Perhaps it was not as popular as some of his other shows and that's why..........Perhaps the re-runs have been seen more on cable TV.

Anyway, I have always been really curious about this show. Bill Scott told me, when he wrote to me in early 1974 (Bill was the co-producer of Jay Ward Productions) that they made 26 episodes of Fractured Flickers.

I read in Keith Scott's book, The Moose That Roared, that Joan Crawford was REALLY upset about the premise of this show. She thought that it was an AWFUL idea, because she had done 29 silent movies between the years 1923-1929. The whole idea behind Fractured Flickers was to dub in dialogue, in old silent films. This was as upsetting to her as colorizing old black and white movies is upsetting to some actors today (I remember seeing Woody Allen and Ginger Rogers, on Capitol Hill, trying to fight against colorizing B & W movies).

Brian

When I registered on the site you recomended, I gave them all the info but an error came up when I tried to comment....about fractured flickers....I'll try again and see what happens...It may have been because I used the same pass word...thanks again

Mike

I'd really like to see some of the old shows....next time I get a chance to go to the Museum of Broadcast ....I'll see what they say about Fractured Flickers

Mike


August 05, 2001

Hello Brian Kistler,

My name is Greg Burson and I'm interested a missive with the phrase "Daws' Song". I don't have that message in front of me so I'm running on memory ( a sorry state of affairs that is!)

Several years ago my dear friend Daws Butler handed me some lyrics for me to put music to. One of the titles was "I Like to Bounce". I was wondering if that is part of what you were talking of.

Thanks,

Greg

Greg:

No, I was not talking about "I Like to Bounce". So what happened to that song? Did you put it to music? Did it take off? We have not yet posted Daws' Song. I will email Greg, my partner, and see if he could email you a copy of the lyrics that I wrote. We have not officially put it to music, at this time, but I have been playing around with a few tunes that might work. I don't have a copy of it, with me, right now, because I just cleaned out all my email boxes, because too much stuff had accumulated in them; Greg does have a copy though, that you might enjoy seeing.

Brian

Subject: Re: Bounce

Hi Bri,

I seem to remember there were a few songs. The only title I remember is "Bounce". They were destined to be in a "to be determined" file.

As far as the songs themselves, they would be in either Daws' archives or mine. Unfortunately, with all the new recording technologies, they would be well buried.

Maybe some day they'll be found, who can say.

I'd like to see these lyrics or perhaps hear the whole song when it's finished. And with your permission I'm sure Myrtis (Mrs. Daws) and her sons, and some of Daws' friends would like to as well.

Tanks again Doc,

Greg

That's fine. You can share them with them. I actually exchanged a one brief letter with Myrtis, his wife, after Daws died. In her thank you card, for my consolation letter, Mrs. Butler said that Daws was proud of his young people, whom he'd mentored in the field, and he was especially proud of those of them who "made it". She also mentioned that he received an "Annie award" (a cartoon award) which he really enjoyed, since he never got on-camera recognition. I am kind of paraphrasing. She did not say it exactly, that way, but more or less, that was the gyst of some of her comments. When Daws died, Hanna-Barbera forwarded, to Mrs. Butler, quite a few letters, and cards, from his fans. It seems that she did enjoy reading those. Greg should be forwarding the song to you sometime soon.

Brian

Subject: Re: Bounce

Hi Bri,

am looking forward to your lead sheet.

Daws' choice in many productions in which he was involved was to remain unbilled. This is because of his loyalty and friendship with Mr. "B", in fact Joe has a letter from Daws in this regard stating he knew where his bread was buttered.

Inside the animation community Daws enjoyed the admiration of everyone Including Mel Blanc who said: Daws is my only competition. But it was with the fans of the cartoons and therefore the fans of Daws where he experienced the most joy.

It would be nice if you have a mind to to e-mail Joe and tell him you enjoyed his work.

Joe can be E-mailed at joe.barbera@warnerbros.com. After Bill's passing he could use a little cheering. oh, and tell a friend.

A-Dios

Greg

Greg: I'm sorry you had trouble getting through to me. Since your original email was dated 8/8, I'm sure that you tried to send this several times, before it finally went through. The Delivery Failure Notice mentioned that there were 2 messages, but I only read one. Hopefully that was just an error and there was only one.

I sent you an attachment of Daws' Song.......I'm not sure that you ever rec'd it, given your email that I got today. Anyway, we have now put it on the web page. Just go to the Walter Tetley Web Page and click on Daws's Song and it will be there.

There are a few things, here and there, in the "song", where I have had to take ARTISTIC LICENSE. When you have to make something rhyme and also have to keep your lines within a reasonably similar amount of syllables, you can't always say things exactly the way you want.

So I want you to understand that, when I wrote, "went to Warner Brothers and battled Mel Blanc", I did not really mean that there was a feud between them..........I meant that Daws went to try to break into cartoons, there, and he was told by many: "Why bother?..........Mel Blanc does everything." For that line, the easiest way to say, what I wanted, and keep the syllables right, was to word it just like that (you will notice that some of my lines have varying numbers of syllables-----I just did the very best I could, as a lyricist..........I don't write poems or songs very often).

Just about all of the things, that I wrote in the song, are based on things that Daws told me in his taped letter. For this song/poem, I tried to include at least a few things, that I had not mentioned before, in the Tribute to Daws Butler (under Daws Butler's Corner) and also in Showcasing Daws' Talent. I felt that Daws' Song would be more interesting with some new, different information.

You mention some very interesting things about Mel Blanc and Daws in your email. About Daws electing to not receive any credit for much of his work "outside of" Hanna-Barbera........I had read a little bit about that, in Keith Scott's The Moose That Roared. Scott did not explain it quite the way that you did, however.

Scott said that the main problem was that there were competing sponsors (the commercials) on Jay Ward and Hanna-Barbera cartoons. I think he said that there were different kids' cereal companies sponsoring those different shows (Jay Ward was using General Mills; I don't know what H-B was using).

Scott said that there could have been a lot of problems if Daws was credited for doing voices on cartoons where competing cereal sponsors were doing commercials for these different shows. In 2001 I imagine that there would be no problem at all, for a voice actor to receive credit like this. In the late 1950s and early 1960s, however, I am sure that it was a whole different ball of wax.

I am glad that you told me, what you told me, however; your version, of why Daws elected to not receive credit, paints the portrait of a very unselfish and kind man. Maybe both stories are true------but it makes Daws look even better, than he already did before (in my eyes), to know that a lot of it had to do with loyalty and "knowing where his bread was buttered".

I went out to the Hanna-Barbera studios in August 1987, right after I finished my Masters degree in Spanish, at Penn State. At that time I did not have a car. I took a round-trip Greyhound Bus, out there, during a "travel special", when the total bus fare was only $99.

I did not go out there just for the H-B studio; I went to see other things in the state. Anyway, one of the casting directors had arranged for me to come into the studio. She said that she would give me a mini tour of the place and even allow me to sit in on the recording of one of their cartoons. That was neat! I met Don Messick, who did many, many voices for decades for H-B (Scooby-Doo, Ranger Smith, Boo-Boo Bear, Arnold the newspaper boy on the Flintstones, etc.).

I was disappointed that June Foray and Daws Butler were not there that day. Someone there told me that June Foray was doing A LOT of work for them, by that time. The casting director, who arranged for me to visit, said that Daws Butler was still working for them (this was the year before he died). She said that someone had to read his lines to him, into a head set, and then he would repeat, what they said, into the mike. Since he had had a stroke, it took him a little longer, than it used to, to read the lines from his script, and digest them mentally. The director said that they did this for him, to help him out.

Right before I left the studio I asked the casting director if I could meet Joe Barbera and William Hanna. I was not planning to take up much of their time; I just wanted to meet them! She would not let me meet them. She made up some excuse as to why I could not meet them, and sent me away. What a shame. I was so close, yet so far away. Now William Hanna is gone (just this year he died) and as for Joe Barbera------at least I have his email address now. Thanks!

Why does his email address have a competing studio name in the address (Warner Bros.)? He is still with H-B, even though Bill Hanna died, isn't he?

Brian

Readers:

Greg Burson made some followup comments on my response to his previous email. With regards to my remarks, that there would have been problems for Daws, if he had been credited for voices on both Jay Ward and Hanna-Barbera's studios (due to the fact that their cartoons had competing sponsors/cereal companies), he pointed out a couple things to me:

HB was Kellogg's, Ward was Quaker hence: Cap'n Crunch.

Jay Ward did start out with General Mills. They did commercials for Lucky Charms, Trix and other such cereals. It was later on that they started doing the Quaker Oats commercials (Cap'n Crunch). For many years those Quaker Oats commercials were the only cartoons that they did (when they got fed up with censors, and the new wave of making a didactic slant more of a priority than a humorous slant, in kids' cartoons). They refused to bow to the new standards in cartoon series and let animated commercials be the extent of their endeavors in this field, for the last 17-18 years that their studio was open.

Greg also said the following about the role of the sponsors, in 50s/60s cartoon series:

In those days it was common practice for sponsors to "barter" a show; that's where the sponsors actually pay the costs of the show, add their commercials and give it to the networks who in turn sell the remaining time to other advertisers. The barter-sponsors then felt that they owned all appendages of the show.

(which would explain why Daws would have had problems being credited for voices on both Jay Ward and H-B's cartoons)

However, Greg went on to point out still more, about this, in Daws' case:

Daws' actions to not receive voice credit outside of the H-B cartoons were also his own actions, which demonstrated his loyalty to Bill and Joe........a loyalty which was truly exceptional. His talents, and his station in life, were, of course attributed to God.

About Don Messick, whom I mentioned I met, when I took a tour of the H-B studio (Don Messick did the voices of Scooby-Doo, Ranger Smith, Boo-Boo Bear and Arnold the newspaper boy on the Flintstones, among others), Greg said:

Don was a very dear friend

(He died on October 24, 1997 of a stroke. Lest there be any doubt, Don never worked for Jay Ward Productions)

About my remarks:

The casting director, who arranged for me to visit, said that Daws Butler was still working for them (this was the year before he died). She said that someone had to read his lines to him, into a head set, and then he would repeat, what they said, into the mike. Since he had had a stroke, it took him a little longer, than it used to, to read the lines from his script, and digest them mentally. The director said that they did this for him, to help him out.

Greg said:

Gordon Hunt is a very smart director and knew the they just couldn't "bump" into another man with Daw's still radiating talent.

And about my remarks:

Why does Joe Barbera's email address have a competing studio name in the address (Warner Bros.)?

Greg said:

Now that I think about it, he might have a different address; his office is physically in the Warner Bros. Animation building (formerly Robinson's dept. store, I think they occupy the lingerie section). The reason H-B and WB are in the same building is, AOL-TIME WARNER is now H-B's owner.

After a number of years of "ping-ponging" from one holding company to another, Joe stated " Finally, we once again answer to fellow animators." GB


July 31, 2001

Subject: Walter Tetley webpage

Just wanted to drop you a note and thank you for the great webpage on Tetley. I was looking for some info on the "Wayback Machine" (which I remember fondly) and came across your page. I never knew about Mr. Tetley or his accomplishments, but it was fascinating to read about him.

Barbara

Thank you! I am pretty sure that Greg, my partner, used the word "Wayback Machine" as one of our search magnets. That probably helped you to find us. There are some other interesting things about W.T. on Peabody's Pony Express (the mailbag feature).

When I first read your name, I was kind of excited, because I was thinking, that you were one of the animators, at Jay Ward Productions.......But then I remembered......'Oh yeah........her name is Barbara Baldwin!..........Not Barbara Bingham!'

Brian


July 27, 2001

Subject: RE: Walter Tetley

Yes, I really like listening to "The Great Gildersleeve", mostly because of the Leroy character. Walter Tetley truly goes beyond just sounding like a boy. The spirit of a child is there and I think his acting ability has gone underrated. I've seen Lurene Tuttle pop up now and then in old TV reruns and movies. I had forgotten she was in Julia. I do have some episodes of the Phil Harris-Alice Faye show. Tetley's character always appears in the second half and he steals the show. When I receive the Stan Freberg interview I can also include excerpts of that. There was a pilot of a radio show called "The Kid Around the Corner" starring Walter Tetley in the late forties, but it never developed into a regular program. One of the OTR radio stations recently played it. I'd like to hear some of his early radio work on Fred Allen's show in the thirties, but I don't know if any recordings exist of those older shows.

Don Hall


July 26, 2001

Subject: peabody and sherman

hello, I just found your website. I was wondering if the ever made a peabody and sherman t-shirt? If they do would you know where I could get one?

jawad hudnall

Interesting that this is the second time, in 5-6 months, that we have gotten this question. I wonder how many other folks are out there, who would be interested in the same thing. If you will click on the Peabody's Pony Express feature, in the left margin, and arrow down to February 9, 2001 (or thereabouts), you will find my answer to that question. We have several pages of emails now, so just keep scrolling and clicking til you get to that date.

Brian


July 26, 2001

Subject: Walter Tetley

Brian,

Larry Gassman does an old time radio show out of the Los Angeles area called "Same Time, Same Station." He's going to send me a copy of a 1996 show that he did in which he interviewed Stan Fredberg, and in the interview Freberg talks about Walter Tetley. Also during this particular broadcast, June Foray calls in. I'll let you know when I receive this, and we can arrange to get you a copy.

Don

Thanks. You know that I will look forward to that. Richard Giblin----I don't know if you know him or not; he has a site on the Great Gildersleeve----he very, very kindly sent me some episodes of the Great Gildersleeve. I am really enjoying these shows. I thought that his letter had said that he sent me 87 episodes. It turns out that he sent me closer to 200, on two volumes (in CD-ROM form)!!!

I almost done with Volume One, which contains 93 episodes. So far I have listened to 80 half hours, on that CD!!! Can you believe that? I think that Judge Horace Hooker's character is one of my favorite characters, from this show. I also like Peavey, the grocer/druggist, and Walter Tetley's Leroy is EXTREMELY VERSATILE.

I have also learned that the lady, who did Leroy's sister, Margerie, was on a TV show from the late 60s, that I used to watch........That TV show JULIA, about the Black nurse/Single Mom, raising a boy by herself........an older woman who worked in Julia's office, with Julia's boss, Dr. Chegley-----Dr. Chegley's assistant, Hannah Yarbee-----She was played by Lurene Tuttle, who also played Margerie on The Great Gildersleeve. I wonder if Greg, the web guy on our site, remembers JULIA, or the character Hannah Yarbee.

Anyway........I hope that maybe someday I will have the chance to hear a portion of episodes from The Phil Harris and Alice Faye Show, too, where Walter played that "rough around the edges" punk, Julius.

Brian


Jun 29, 2001

Subject: Re: Daws Butler

Brian,

Wow I am impressed,not onkly do have information on Walter Tetley but the aditional pages are also fantastic.

I enjoyed the Daws Butler tribute I just wish he were still with us today. I remember when I was able to hear his demo tape for the first time,it seemed a bit magical to hear him speak in all those many voices.

He could be a kid one moment,then an irish man,to Yogi,back to a kid all in what seemed to be a single breath. He was truly the best and even after his passing still a mentor to me.

Thank you for sharing this information with us,

Voice Guy

Hi voice guy:

Let me give you some instructions on how to read up (and listen to) what we have about Daws:

1. click on: http://www.io.com/~jgjones/tetley

2. In the left margin click on "Daws Butler's Corner"

3. On page 3, of that story (I think it's page3) we play 8-9 minutes of Daws's taped letter to me, in which he does his voices, while he talks. Click on that.

4. You might also enjoy clicking on "Showcasing Daws's Talent" in the left margin.

Brian


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