PEABODY'S PONY EXPRESS (continued)


March 29, 2001

Brian,

I was happy to see your web site about Walter. He truly deserves more recognition than he has been given. I have also been trying for years to find more information about his life. A few years ago when I found out he had died, I was able to obtain a copy of his death certificate. It lists the date of death as September 7, 1975, which conflicts with the Sept. 4 date that you'll always find on the internet. It also lists the cause of death as stomach cancer, which would have nothing to do with the motorcycle accident, and his last residence as being in Woodland Hills. He spent the last fews months of his life in a convalescent home in the valley. If you want a copy of his death certificate and also a copy of his obituary which appeared in "Variety" in October of 1975, I'll be happy to send them to you.

I had never heard of the motorcycle accident before I read your website, or about him living in a trailor near the beach. This was quite interesting to me and I would be interested in any other information you might have about him.

I noticed that Stan Freberg always refers to Walter as "my good friend Walter Tetley" when he does his old time radio broadcasts. If they were in fact good friends, he could probably provide a wealth of information if you could find a way to reach him, and if he were willing.

In your website, you really should mention Walter's fine voice talent as "Leroy" in the "Great Gildersleeve" radio series. That was really his defining role.

I look forward to hearing from you. I'm sending this from my office but please feel free to use my home e-mail address, which is donnyh@catholic.org .

Don Hall

Don: We actually do mention quite a few things about Walter's Radio career in PEABODY'S PONY EXPRESS. We will probably make a note, in the Walter Tetley Tribute, sometime soon, to the readers, to visit that part of our website to learn more about his Radio career, because many folks have been pointing this out to me. Apparently a lot of people do not go to the PONY EXPRESS and they miss this.

As I told another reader, to date I have decided not to go into great detail, about his Radio career, in the Tribute, because I thought that it would be nice to let our Readers get some of the credit, for the info, in the PONY EXPRESS....... And also this would be a way of having unique different info, in the PONY EXPRESS, that is not in the Tribute (and thereby not duplicate information in two spots).

I never did think that Walter died from the motorcycle accident.......I figured that it was probably something else, like cancer...........because he did linger for a few years after the accident. But I am sure that that did not help, with his overall stamina and strength, in the last years. Had he not already been in that accident, and suffered those injuries, etc., I am sure that he might have fared the cancer a tad bit easier........even if it was terminal.

I would be VERY INTERESTED to see the copy of the things that you have told me about........the certificate, the obit., etc........Could you please email those to us? Maybe we could post that info on the PONY EXPRESS, or elsewhere on the site, if you do not mind.

I have to stop, right now; I may email you, later on, with some other comments.

Thanks a lot!

Brian


March 28, 2001

Brian,

I stumbled on to your web page while looking for a photo of Walter Tetley. Although your photos are small, they are better than anything I had seen before. After a thorough read of the page I must say I was both delighted and disappointed.

For the past year and a half I have been collecting "Old Time Radio" off the net, in MP3 format. My collection is now quite respectable and huge compared to when I was doing something similar with cassettes. In order to keep the collection in a usable form, I burn the programs to CDs and put them into jewel cases. I usually try add photos of the voice actors from my books or the net. I recently did a cover for the CBS series "Escape" (1947-54) and used photos of the two most-frequent hosts and stars: William Conrad and Paul Frees. I suddenly noticed the Bullwinkle connection! I guess I will have to put a picture of Boris Badenov on the back cover.

Your page delighted me because I am also a great Jay Ward-Bill Scott fan. I still use drinking glasses purchased at Dudley Do-Right’s Emporium. Jay Ward’s sense of humor twisted high school career!

I was disappointed because your page is not really a Walter Tetley page. For years, Walter was just a name in the Bullwinkle credits. It wasn’t until I started listening to OTR that I realized what a large role he played in that, primarily in The Great Gildersleeve (1941-57) and the Phil Harris-Alice Faye Show (1946-54). Many people consider Gildersleeve to have been the first true sitcom. Tetley played Gildersleeve’s young nephew, Leroy. I read that Walter did a cameo in one of the Gildersleeve movies. As he was not a child, he did not appear as Leroy. Although I have it on video tape, I did not know that when I first saw it.

The Phil Harris-Alice Faye show was one of the best written radio sitcoms programs and holds up very well today. In the Phil Harris show, Tetley was also Julius Abruzzio, the grocery boy. Julius showed up during the second half of the show to laugh at the mess Phil and Frankie had made for themselves.

You might be particularly interested in one Gildersleeve broadcast (2/25/45). As the start of the live program is interrupted by a war bulletin, star Hal Peary and Walter Tetley entertain the audience as themselves. I can send you that segment if you like.

I see from your bio that your spent time in Sevilla. I have also been there a couple of times but my Spanish is just good enough to get into trouble. I understand that scenes from the next Star Wars film will be shot at Plaza de Espana.

Jonathan:

Yes, please do send me the link of Walter Tetley and Hal Peary entertaining the audience as themselves. We would like to inform the readers about that.

I can understand your disappointment, since we advertised this as a Tetley page, that he is only one small part of the whole package. Really what it is, is a Jay Ward cartoons tribute/page, but I wanted to dedicate it to Walter Tetley because he did not get a whole lot of recognition, in Jay Ward cartoons, since typically he played only one character, in Ward/Scott's many cartoon series.

I also wanted to give him the honor, of having our website named after him, as a way of saying that I am sorry that he was the one voice artist, whom I really wanted to write to, but missed out on...........because I was too late........Just about everyone else, from those shows, whom I really cared about, I did get to write to.

If he had lived a little longer, I think that maybe I would have eventually tracked him down, because I was persistent in making contact with all these folks. Since I will never have the chance to talk to him, or write to him, this is my way of saying "I really am a fan of yours, Walter.........Since I was too late to touch base with you, I want to do at least a ' little something ' in your honor.

Naming the web page after him is also my way of recognizing him, for the hard, difficult, long road, that he must have gone through, in the last years of his life, after his motorcycle accident........and a kind of posthumous way of saying to him how very sorry that I am, that he had to go through that........

And as a fan, I wish that I could have been a small part of his life, those last years, to do a little something to cheer him up, when he was down or in pain.......I know that I could not have done very much, but maybe I could have brought a little smile to his face, or a mild chuckle, with a greeting card, a juvenile drawing, from my teenage years, or some kind, words of good cheer, in a letter.

If you have not already done so, you would probably really enjoy reading some of the emails from our PEABODY'S PONY EXPRESS feature, which talk about his Radio career in more detail. We also have a link, under the feature, LINKS, which takes you to some broadcasts of the Great Gildersleeve. You would probably really enjoy visiting that, if you have not already been to that site.

I actually did start this page out as just a Walter Tetley Page. But then my partner, Greg, who knew that I had a much broader interest, in voice artists, encouraged me to go beyond that, and dedicate the page to voice artists, in general, from Jay Ward Productions. I never really did want to change the name of our site, however, because of that special place, in my heart, for Walter Tetley.

We are trying to key our website up, in a way that will eventually attract folks searching for related topics as well. We hope to eventually have The Walter Tetley Web Page come up, as an option, for search topics like June Foray, Rocky and Bullwinkle, Jay Ward, etc., etc., etc. But I will NEVER change the name of the site.......And that's a promise!

About Sevilla, Spain.......If you did not already know (and I am sure that you probably do know), the movie, MISSION IMPOSSIBLE 2 was filmed partly in Sevilla, at least the first 15-20 minutes or so. The scenes set in Sevilla, Spain, are among the most charming of that whole movie. Rent it, if you have not already seen it!!

Brian


March 16, 2001

Subject: LEERRROOYYY

Just a footnote.

Walter played in the movie "GILDERSLEEVE ON BROADWAY". He had alot of air time in this early 40's film. He looked to old to play Leroy so he was a elevator operator.

Don

That's really interesting, Don. I did see something, in Walter's filmography, about a part that he played as an elevator boy, but it wasn't in a Gildersleeves movie; it was in some other movie. I pulled up his filmography again at http://us.imdb.com/Bio?Tetley,+Walter and I took a gander at that movie that you mentioned. They credit him as a bellhop, for that one........but then bellhop, elevator boy..........it's just a matter of semantics, that's all......... not far from being the same thing.

Brian


March 15, 2001

Brian,

Enjoyed reading your article on Walter Tetley's last years, but man oh man, you have GOT to take a listen to his work on The Great Gildersleeve and The Phil Harris & Alice Faye Show to really appreciate how good an actor he was! If you (or anyone reading this) have not heard these great old time radio shows, you are missing out on Walter's BEST work, bar none.

Both shows can be found on Napster, or via old time radio show dealers, but on the net, run don't walk to:

http://www.wayback.net/gildy

...for The Great Gildersleeve Project, which always has three or four episodes of GG available for downloading at any time. Prime Tetley work and a great show.

BUT -- as much as I love Gildersleeve, I must admit that Walter's work as "Julius Abrusio" on the Phil Harris & Alice Faye Show is absolutely, bar none, best character work of all. "Julius" is the ultimate brash, crass, pugnacious bullying whippersnapper you'll ever come across. Search until you find some episodes of this great show -- you will be amply rewarded!

kylistener

Thanks, James! We sure are getting lots of mail, lately, about how great the Great Gildersleeve really was........and the Phil Harris and Alice Faye show too........there have even been some emails, like that, that we have not published.........so there are quite a few, to be sure!

Yeah, I know!.......I've just got to listen to some portions of those shows, if not an entire show, sometime. I thank you for the websites. Up to now I did not have them. When things get a little less busy, for me, I will make sure to listen to them and enjoy.

Thanks, man!!

Brian


March 14, 2001

Subject: An Important part of Walter Tetley's History Forgotten

I just read your very interesting accounting of Walter Tetley's existence. I had heard Walter died some years back in the early '80's but I didn't know he was in a motorcyle accident. I was really writing you to remind you, if you don't already know it, that Walter's biggest claim to fame, was his long-time portrayal of Leroy on the classic radio show, "The Great Gildersleeve". He played Leroy for 17 years of his life, from 1941 till 1958, he also had a great and recurring role as Julius, a wise-cracking teenager on the Phil Harris-Alice Faye Show.

His Julius character was a slightly older more smart alecky character than Leroy, but the Leroy character was very much like the character you seem most familiar with, Sherman on the Bullwinkle cartoons. But he played both Julius and Leroy at the same time, although the Phil Harris show was on for about 7 years, '47-'53, he was on both radio shows and this is where Walter Tetley made his name, not in the Bullwinkle cartoon.

Although, don't get me wrong, I am also a child of the '60's and grew up watching Bullwinkle and was always a great fan of the Sherman and professorial dog who was his friend. I didn't discover Gildersleeve till the early '70's, but I've been a great fan of it since. If you like Walter Tetley, listen for some of the Gildersleeve shows, or the extremely funny Phil Harris-Alice Faye Shows (the funniest radio show I've ever heard) and you'll hear Walter Tetley at his very best. He was very good as Sherman, but he was great as Leroy & Julius.

Thanks for your patience and your well thought out web-site. I would only add to it the important part of Walter's history that you skipped, (the info. I've wriiten above).

Thanks Again,

Lee Rotter

Yeah, I know you're right about all this info. I first heard about the Great Gildersleeve from my partner, Greg Jones, who does the web design. Later on other people emailed me about that radio show. I thought about adding the info, in the Tribute, about Gildersleeve, but then I got to thinking, later on, that since we did mention it, in the mailbag feature (PEABODY'S PONY EXPRESS), that does give readers a chance to see something new, that we didn't cover, in the Tribute part of our web page........

It kind of makes the PONY EXPRESS more valuable that some info, about Walter, is covered there, and not covered in the Tribute.........What's more, it gives some of the credit to our readers, for supplying some of the info. I'm really kind of torn about whether to just include the info in the PONY EXPRESS, and let the readers have the credit, or cause a bit of repetition, by having it mentioned in both places..........I just haven't been able to decide what to do about that. Perhaps, at a later date, Greg and I might decide to include the info in the Tribute too.......We shall see.......... Thanks for your interest!

Brian


February 9, 2001

Where would I find and Sherman and Peabody T-shirt?

Dennis Norton

There is a very good possibility that you may be able to order a Sherman and Peabody T-shirt at a store run by Jay Ward's widow and daughter, Ramona and Tiffany Ward: Dudley Do-Right's Emporium. Here is some info, on that store, including their email address:

email: dorightemporium@aol.com

address: 8200 Sunset Blvd., Hollywood, CA 90046

phone #'s: (323)656-6550 and 654-3050

fax: (323)650-2940


January 30, 2001:

Brian,

Just wanted to thank you for engineering a web page for Walter Tetley. Today at the office, we were discussing Sherman and Mr. Peabody and I got curious if there was any information on the web. To my surprise, there was and I enjoyed reading his history. Thanks again !

Cindy in Tampa

Dear Cindy in Tampa:

It is a shame, that there was nothing on Walter Tetley before (at least nothing like our web page).........On the other hand, it was kind of exciting to be the one to "take the bull by the horns" and rise to the occasion and create what we created.

I'm quite happy that you enjoyed it. As far as the engineering is concerned, all that credit should go to my friend, Greg Jones, who is my web page partner. While I did the writing, Greg did 100% of the web page design and features, completely on his own.

Brian


1/14/01

HOKEY SMOKES!!

Hi Brian,

I came across your Walter Tetley site and loved it. I just wanted to tell you that I'm a fan too. I run a Rocky and Bullwinkle site and would like to have you stop by :)

The address is http://www.geocities.com/somebullwinkle/

Thanks for your time.

-jon

Jon:

I'm really thrilled that you like the web page. We will post both your E-mail and your own web site address under Peabody's Pony Express. I have not yet gotten a chance to read all of your site, as I am getting ready to go to church, but I have seen enough of it to know that it looks like a really great site that others should know about! I look forward to reading more of your site when I return.


1/9/01

Good evening,

are there any sites on the net that have downloadable files of the 'mr. peabody and his pet boy shelden' episodes? Also, edward evertt horton's voice was a wonderful addition to the series. do you recall him in the films, "here comes mr. jordon" and "a pocketful of miracles?" thanks again.

mark

I told Mark that I knew nothing about Peabody episodes on-line. Readers, should you know anything about this, let us know, and we will forward your information to Mark.

I also told him how much I also liked Edward Everett Horton, in the Fractured Fairy Tales, and I referred him to some things that I had written, about E.E. Horton, at the IMDb website (see this site at the end of my article, JUNE OF THE JUNGLE, on our web page. The article about E.E. Horton, is the one under the title of THE BULLWINKLE SHOW).

I mentioned to Mark that I had seen him in POCKETFUL OF MIRACLES (1961) and also in TOP HAT (1935) with Ginger Rogers and Fred Astaire. He was wonderful in that movie. I also mentioned ARSENIC AND OLD LACE (1944). Horton was in that movie with Cary Grant, Peter Lorre and Raymond Massey. I also mentioned that I knew that E.E. Horton's film work dated all the way back to the Silent Movie era.

Finally I told Mark that I had not seen Horton in HERE COMES MR. JORDAN. He later E-mailed me back and told me that that movie was truly a "must-see" and he hoped that I would get a chance to see it.


1/6/01

Brian-

Thanks for the reference to the imdb (can't believe I didn't think of it!)-- as I have a copy of "Thing From Another World", I'm going to take another look at it to see if I can spot a young Mr. Frees in his bit role. And, sure, feel free to include my letter in your mailbag-- and thank you, I would indeed prefer to have my email addy "supressed". If I have question or two about this field at some point in the future, don't be surprised to hear from me-- every so often one gets a nagging desire to nail down a fact or two.....

I told Tom that another great movie, to see Paul Frees in, albeit a bit part, is the 1951 movie, A PLACE IN THE SUN (with Montgomery Clift, Elizabeth Taylor and Shelly Winters). To make a long story short, I told him that the acting, in this film, was SUPERB......especially Montgomery Clift.

Frees can be seen, near the tail end of this movie, as the priest, who visits with Clift's character, in prison, before he is about to be executed. Frees is only 31 years old and clean-shaven in this movie. For the record, he was rather short (as can be seen in the movie: somewhere between 5'4" to 5'6").

I told Tom that Frees was a bit heavier, around the time that he corresponded with me, though not much more than your typical "middle-aged spread". He also sported a mustache around that time. He told me, in his tape-recorded letter that it was "ORANGE" (he really did say that!).


1/5/01

Hiya-

Just a note from a listener to WAMU's "Old Time Radio Broadcast" in the DC metropolitan area. I suspect that the bulk of Walter's fame and fortune came from his work in radio. Although his voice is well-known to us baby-boomers thanks to Peabody & Sherman, he is the UBIQUITOS voice of adolescence in radio sitcoms from the 40's & 50's-- most notably (to my limited experience) as "Leroy" in "The Great Gildersleeves". He also was frequently used by Stan Freberg, and is quite funny in a couple of supporting roles on Freberg's "History of the United States, vol 1" (as Ben Franklin's assistant, and the 2nd drummer in the Spirit of '76).

Anyhoo, thought I'd take a moment to see if that helps you track down his history a bit further. And thanks for the pictures! I've long wondered what he looked like. I suspect that Walter suffered from the same syndrome that effects Gary Coleman and a couple of other "child" actors of today who have a genetic flaw that prevents their bodies from progressing into puberty.

Also, I have a mild interest in the backgrounds/history of voice-over artists (Paul Frees being one of my favorites, as well)-- is there a particular web-site that would be of interest to me?

Thanks! T Howley

I told Tom some of the same things, that I told Ray, in response to his E-mail, vis ä vis, Tetley's hormonal condition. The work, that Tom mentions, with Stan Freberg, is related to the records that Tetley recorded for Capitol Records around 1950 (see our tribute to Walter Tetley).

I also told Tom that he could find quite a lot of info, on Paul Frees, by visiting: http://us.imdb.com/Bio?Frees,+Paul

Some of the info about him, at this website, can be found by clicking on some of the options in the left margin (on the first page). I further mentioned that the tape-recorded letter, that Paul Frees sent me, was totally delightful and wonderful! His taped letter was probably about 30-40 minutes in length.

For those of you not familiar with Paul Frees, he voiced Boris Badenov, Captain Peachfuzz and Fred the Lion from Super Chicken (both Ed Wynn sound-alikes), Inspector Fenwick and various Narrators (all of these in Jay Ward cartoons).

He also did the Pillsbury Doughboy, Morocco Mole (Peter Lorre sound-alike) and the villain, Yellow Pinky (Sydney Greenstreet sound-alike), in Hanna-Barbera's SECRET SQUIRREL. He also voiced Disney's animated duck character, Professor Von Drake, as well as many of the voices used in many of Disney's rides in Disneyland.

Frees also was one of the top talents used in many holiday specials (both cartoons and claymation) done by Rankin-Bass (including FROSTY THE SNOWMAN and HERE COMES PETER COTTON TAIL).

Surely a surprise to a lot of people, like Daws Butler and June Foray, Frees even did a few voices in some of the Warners Bros.' cartoons, though, just like Butler and Foray, he never received any credit for his voices, because Mel Blanc's contract asserted that he was to get exclusive credit for voices done for Warners.

Frees also did a lot of very serious work. He narrated the movie, IN COLD BLOOD, based on Truman Capote's book. He also did a lot of dubbing in movies; especially for actors whose accent caused a problem with the dialogue. He also, most assuredly, used his voice "straight" for thousands of TV and radio commercials. The IMDb filmography gives his nickname as "The Man of a Thousand Voices".

Though I did not mention this to Tom, Frees recorded a record album, in the 60s or the 70s, with MGM, entitled PAUL FREES AND THE POSTER PEOPLE. In this album, he sang a lot of the hit songs, from the 60s, in the voices of deceased film stars/actors.


12/23/00:

I also tried to find out about Mr.Tetley.There is very little about him on the web.I did find a spot that lists movies Mr. Tetley was in us.imbd.com. It lists parts he played in different movies.I know have to rent a few and see what he looks like.I really enjoyed him in the Great Gildersleeves and that made me check into him.Keep me informed on your progress.
Thanks! Ray

Ironically it was my web page partner, Greg Jones, who first told me about THE GREAT GILDERSLEEVE radio show. I had never heard of this show before. Greg found some information about this show, when he was designing our web page. The show began roughly in 1941 and ran for about 10 years according to Greg. I did read, elsewhere, that the show lasted as long as 17 years.

My father, who was born late in 1933, remembers this show and really liked it. Walter Tetley played the part of Gildersleeve's spirited nephew, Leroy. My father also said that he recalled that two Great Gildersleeve movies were made. He said that he thought that Tetley probably appeared in these. I have not been able to find that information on the web however.

I gave Ray a few other pieces of info about Mr. Tetley. In Keith Scott's book, THE MOOSE THAT ROARED (pages 127-128), he mentioned that Walter Tetley was born with a hormonal condition, which not only stunted his growth, and prevented his voice from cracking, but also prevented him from ever growing facial hair.

Scott went on to say that, in the 1940s, when he was already a grown man, his parents urged him to see a urologist for treatment. Tetley acquiesced and was treated. The outcome was that he grew several inches.

Scott also gave two possible years of birth for Tetley: 1915 and 1921 (I personally have seen 1921 only in Mr. Scott's book).

He added another interesting fact; that Walter had done a lot of charity work for the handicapped. It did not say whether or not this was before his accident, which ultimately put him in a wheelchair. As he was a very unique man, physically speaking, it would not surprise me, at all, if he had been helping out the handicapped long before.......as he did understand what it was like to be different.

I also told Ray that Keith Scott mentioned that Tetley's motorcycle accident was in the late 60s. I added, however, since June Foray told me, in her letter near the end of 1973, that the accident had taken place two years earlier, it seemed fairly unlikely that that fact was correct.

One other thing, that I told Ray, was related to what he had mentioned about renting some of the movies, that Tetley was in, to see him on screen. I told him that, probably one of the best movies that he could rent, would be W.C. Field's 1938 movie, YOU CAN'T CHEAT AN HONEST MAN. Tetley's filmography lists him as "boy with candy". Though undoubtedly a bit part, I told Ray that he would probably be pretty easy to spot, given that part!


Note: This first E-mail actually came from someone who had read an article, that I wrote, about The Dudley Do-Right Show, at the IMDb site (and not from the Walter Tetley Web Page), but we are including her comments, anyway, because Dudley Do-Right does belong to the same "ball of wax" as Sherman and Peabody (Jay Ward cartoons).

12/14/00:

> HI! I'M A HUGE HANS CONRIED FAN, AND I SAW YOUR COMMENT ABOUT "DUDLEY > DO-RIGHT" ON IMDB. I LOVED HIM IN THAT SHOW, AND IN ALL HIS MOVIES, TOO. > I'VE BEEN TRYING TO FIND HIS BIOGRAPHY AND/OR PHOTOS ON THE INTERNET, WITH NO LUCK...I GUESS HE'S NOT AS WELL-KNOWN AS SOME OTHER B-MOVIE ACTORS! I THINK THERE SHOULD BE A TRIBUTE SITE FOR ALL HIS FANS. THE ONLY THING I FOUND, WAS A VERY BRIEF BIO (AND FILMOGRAPHY) ON IMDB. I WAS WONDERING IF YOU KNOW WHERE THIS HARD-TO-FIND INFO CAN BE FOUND ON THE NET!! I'VE TRIED A FEW DIFFERENT SEARCH ENGINES, AND NONE COULD FIND HIS NAME LISTED ANYWHERE (EXCEPT AS A FILM'S CAST MEMBER)! IF YOU CAN HELP, PLEASE E-MAIL ME SOON...I'D ALSO LIKE TO HEAR YOUR THOUGHTS ON THIS MULTI-TALENTED ACTOR. THANKS! GRETCHEN SLAWINSKI

At the time of her E-mail, I responded and told Gretchen that I did like Mr. Conried very much. I mentioned that I had heard that he was a regular, or a semi-regular, years ago, on Danny Thomas's TV series MAKE ROOM FOR DADDY (not to be confused with his later series, MAKE ROOM FOR GRANDDADDY). As big as a fan as she is, she most likely already knew this fact.

I also told her that Hans Conried was surely near the top, of the most famous voice actors, from Jay Ward, as I had seen Hans Conried numerous times, on TV and in the movies. I further mentioned to her that, I had read, years ago, that when Conried was in radio, in his twenties, even then he was playing middle-aged men.

For those of you who do not already know, besides Snidely Whiplash, Conried also played Uncle Waldo, in Jay Ward's middle series, HOOPITY HOOPER. He was also the host of one of Jay Ward's non-cartoon shows, FRACTURED FLICKERS. In this show he hosted clips of silent movies, in which Ward's voice actors dubbed in dialogue.

In Keith Scott's book, THE MOOSE THAT ROARED, which goes into an extensive history of Jay Ward cartoons, Scott mentions that Jay Ward and Bill Scott wanted to use Hans Conried, for their last series, GEORGE OF THE JUNGLE, but Conried was too busy at that time to participate.

If anyone out there, knows some sites, which could help Gretchen, with what she is looking for, please email us.